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Still no extraordinary renditions from the Kogalniceanu airport, Mr. Ba-se?
5 comments:
Anonymous
said...
Nothing to do with Mr. Ba-se I'm afraid. If any such shady agreements were made, you need to look closer to your side of the political spectrum mein freund i.e. to the Iliescu regime ... clickety-click ;-)
Look at "my side of the political spectrum"? Are you suggesting that the Evil Empire has done business with what you might call as the "Russkies puppet"? Yet, it was the secret police sailor captain who had so strenuously denied any involvement if I remember well http://www.romanianewswatch.com/2008/02/no-secret-cia-prisons-in-romania.html
For a little more detailed info, try http://www.statewatch.org/cia/documents/media-reports-Aljazeetah-2006.pdf
C'mon it all started with the Iliescu regime, so you have to share the blame equally no? As a person who pushes left-leaning causes, you don't serve these causes by being completely blind to the faults of anyone except Traian Basescu. I'm disappointed frankly. Here I am, always trying to be more left-leaning, and the left just ends up making me disappointed. Here's the quote from that article I linked earlier: "(Talpes) said Iliescu signed an agreement guaranteeing that Romania would secure the perimeter and otherwise not interfere." Ouch. What more can we say? To complete the picture:
Marty's report concluded that the CIA secretly held al-Qaida operatives, Taliban leaders and other "high-value detainees" in Romania and Poland between 2002 and 2005.
The report, citing unnamed intelligence officials, said five people either authorized or were aware of the Romania operation: Iliescu, Talpes, former Defense Minister Ioan Mircea Pascu, Sergiu Medar, a former head of military intelligence, and current President Traian Basescu. Detainees were subjected "to interrogation techniques tantamount to torture" and underscored "a permissive attitude on the part of the Romanian authorities."
Can you make a monumental leap and admit that your idol Iliescu is the first guilty party?
Regards,
A Concerned Citizen - concerned that some left-wingers (long ago?) completely lost all sense of objectivity
You really made my day! Thank you! What more can I say? My idol, Iliescu? Soyons serieux, mon ami! Of course they had to sign whatever document was put before them by USAID and other American secret services... Look what happened to the former Yugoslavia if you didn't toe the line!
Comrade Umberto Umbrellarella, (slightly left leaning, but often accused of "burgeois deviation") Concerned Citizen
said...
It's bizarre how you can make such an excuse for the Iliescu regime in particular. According to your perception then, the Iliescu regime are victims, who caved in to a threat from the (always and ever more threatening) US, while the Basescu "orange order" are simply criminal accomplices to the whole extraordinary rendition thing. Correct? If so, then once again you display left wing objectivity at it's very finest. Is it really any wonder that people say "the left wears blinkers"? It's absurd to make such a claim. If the Yugoslav scenario was to have happened at any time, it would have been many years before, following the Tirgu Mures riots, and even then it never came to be (for reasons beyond the scope of this riposte). Can you provide any evidence to support your claim? Highly doubtful. Then again, I guess extremists never needed evidence; they just repeat the same stuff over and over till they actually start believing their own propaganda. Unfortunately in the real world, it simply doesn't wash. You see it's not about one "narrative" over another ... reality is all about several different narratives, continually clashing with one another. This is not to make a case for moral relativism. On the contrary - every individual must make his own judgement, independent of extremist dogmas, OR indeed pan-globalist or neo-liberalist agendas. In conclusion then, the best advice (as Dr. Evil would say) is to: "put that in your blunt, and smoke it".
5 comments:
Nothing to do with Mr. Ba-se I'm afraid. If any such shady agreements were made, you need to look closer to your side of the political spectrum mein freund i.e. to the Iliescu regime ... clickety-click ;-)
Look at "my side of the political spectrum"? Are you suggesting that the Evil Empire has done business with what you might call as the "Russkies puppet"? Yet, it was the secret police sailor captain who had so strenuously denied any involvement if I remember well http://www.romanianewswatch.com/2008/02/no-secret-cia-prisons-in-romania.html
For a little more detailed info, try http://www.statewatch.org/cia/documents/media-reports-Aljazeetah-2006.pdf
C'mon it all started with the Iliescu regime, so you have to share the blame equally no? As a person who pushes left-leaning causes, you don't serve these causes by being completely blind to the faults of anyone except Traian Basescu. I'm disappointed frankly. Here I am, always trying to be more left-leaning, and the left just ends up making me disappointed. Here's the quote from that article I linked earlier: "(Talpes) said Iliescu signed an agreement guaranteeing that Romania would secure the perimeter and otherwise not interfere." Ouch. What more can we say? To complete the picture:
Marty's report concluded that the CIA secretly held al-Qaida operatives, Taliban leaders and other "high-value detainees" in Romania and Poland between 2002 and 2005.
The report, citing unnamed intelligence officials, said five people either authorized or were aware of the Romania operation: Iliescu, Talpes, former Defense Minister Ioan Mircea Pascu, Sergiu Medar, a former head of military intelligence, and current President Traian Basescu. Detainees were subjected "to interrogation techniques tantamount to torture" and underscored "a permissive attitude on the part of the Romanian authorities."
Can you make a monumental leap and admit that your idol Iliescu is the first guilty party?
Regards,
A Concerned Citizen - concerned that some left-wingers (long ago?) completely lost all sense of objectivity
You really made my day! Thank you! What more can I say? My idol, Iliescu? Soyons serieux, mon ami! Of course they had to sign whatever document was put before them by USAID and other American secret services... Look what happened to the former Yugoslavia if you didn't toe the line!
It's bizarre how you can make such an excuse for the Iliescu regime in particular. According to your perception then, the Iliescu regime are victims, who caved in to a threat from the (always and ever more threatening) US, while the Basescu "orange order" are simply criminal accomplices to the whole extraordinary rendition thing. Correct? If so, then once again you display left wing objectivity at it's very finest. Is it really any wonder that people say "the left wears blinkers"? It's absurd to make such a claim. If the Yugoslav scenario was to have happened at any time, it would have been many years before, following the Tirgu Mures riots, and even then it never came to be (for reasons beyond the scope of this riposte). Can you provide any evidence to support your claim? Highly doubtful. Then again, I guess extremists never needed evidence; they just repeat the same stuff over and over till they actually start believing their own propaganda. Unfortunately in the real world, it simply doesn't wash. You see it's not about one "narrative" over another ... reality is all about several different narratives, continually clashing with one another. This is not to make a case for moral relativism. On the contrary - every individual must make his own judgement, independent of extremist dogmas, OR indeed pan-globalist or neo-liberalist agendas. In conclusion then, the best advice (as Dr. Evil would say) is to: "put that in your blunt, and smoke it".
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